Naomi
I am having difficulty calculating the odds of a full house, aces full of kings with pocket pair, being beaten by quad jacks or higher, pocket pair, in Hold'Em.
Any help you can provide?
Any help you can provide?
Also known as quads, four of a kind is a hand like 7h 7s 7c 7d 2s, that has four cards of the same rank, and one other card. Quads is better than a full house, and worse than a straight flush. Higher ranked quads will defeat lower ranked quads, so Quad tens are better than quad. Quads - EPT Grand Final Main Event PokerStars. Live of ivey - Barry Greenstein vs Phil Ivey chineese poker.
paisiello
Odds are 100% I think.
DJTeddyBear
Odds are 100% I think.
For the way it was worded, that's a great reply. But for a real answer, I suggest Naomi read the following page:
http://wizardofodds.com/games/texas-hold-em/bad-beat-jackpots/
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tringlomane
For the way it was worded, that's a great reply.
But for a real answer, I suggest Naomi read the following page:
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That won't even help. That page is just for bad beats for hands of a minimum rank (with both hole cards) beaten by any higher hand (with both hole cards).
This would require a new tedious calculation, unfortunately.
Naomi
Yes, I understand if a player has aces full of spades, quad jacks or higher will definitely beat the hand. What I am looking for is the odds behind actually having those hands dealt.
AlanMendelson
I think what you are asking about are the odds of 'jackpot' situation playing no limit hold em.
Since I am math illiterate I can't tell you or explain it to you. But I remember seeing some report somewhere that said the odds of it happening at your table are something like one in forty-thousand hands or about the odds of hitting a royal flush.
I have been at a jackpot table about six or seven times in the past 8 years or so. I have never been the winner or loser in a jackpot situation.
edited to add: found this on the web http://www.pokerlistings.com/strategy/general-poker/the-truth-about-bad-beat-jackpots
Since I am math illiterate I can't tell you or explain it to you. But I remember seeing some report somewhere that said the odds of it happening at your table are something like one in forty-thousand hands or about the odds of hitting a royal flush.
I have been at a jackpot table about six or seven times in the past 8 years or so. I have never been the winner or loser in a jackpot situation.
edited to add: found this on the web http://www.pokerlistings.com/strategy/general-poker/the-truth-about-bad-beat-jackpots
tringlomane
Yes, I understand if a player has aces full of kings, quad jacks or higher will definitely beat the hand. What I am looking for is the odds behind actually having those hands dealt.
Easy answer: not good...lol
Hard answer: It depends on a few factors. The biggest factors are: How many players are at the table? Do both hole cards have to be used? Technically it also matters on players' playing style (how often they fold preflop). This last factor is often ignored though because it can't easily be easily quantified. Without telling us these things, it's pretty difficult for us to give you a reasonable answer.
Naomi
The table will have 10 players, maximum.
Both hole cards must be used in the hands.
I can't speak to the playing style, as it will differ.
Both hole cards must be used in the hands.
I can't speak to the playing style, as it will differ.
MathExtremist
There are two ways to have aces full of kings if the player must have a pocket pair -- pocket AA + AKKXY on board, or pocket KK + AAAXY on board. In both cases, neither X nor Y can be an A, and one but not both of X/Y can be a K. Within each of those two, there are various options for suited board cards such that you'd be able to get beaten with a royal. But for each, just go through each configuration and figure out how many hands beat it. There aren't so many to make it prohibitive to do it by hand. For example:
Pocket AA, Board AKKXY:
a) if X=Y and the opponent has the other two, you lose. For the ranks you care about, that can only happen with J or Q, not A or K.
b) if X and Y are suited to either A or K and within straight range, you can lose to a straight flush
c) if X or Y are suited to A and one K and are Q/J/T, you can lose to a royal flush.
Obviously there are some overlaps in the above so you'll need to factor those out. But that's basically how to do it, assuming you're only talking about one player beating another.
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JimRockford
Playing micros on Bovada I have had quads vs. the nut full house two times in the last month (I am guessing about 4000 hands). quad 6s vs queens full of 6s and quad 10s vs queens full of 10s. There were 3 10s on the board on the last hand. I don't know the odds, but it feels pretty lucky to me. I am not sure if Bovada has a bad beat jackpot or if the hands would qualify.'Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.' - Isaac Newton
Almost all variants of poker are based around a poker hand that’s made up of 5 cards. It is these 5 cards that determines who the winner is. Therefore, it is critical that you understand the ranking order of poker hands so that you know how strong your poker hand is compared to your opponents.
Royal Flush
This is the best possible hand you can get in poker and is unbeatable. It’s basically a “Straight Flush” that runs from Ace to Ten.
Straight Flush
Five cards in numerical order and are all of the same suit. This is similar to a “Royal Flush” with the only exception being that it does not contain an Ace. In instances where multiple players have a Straight Flush, the one with the highest high value card wins.
Four of A Kind (also known as “Quads”)
As the name suggests, it’s a combination of four cards of the same rank and a kicker (the fifth card).
In the event there are more than 1 player with this hand, the one comprised of the highest quads wins.
In the event there are more than 1 player with this hand, the one comprised of the highest quads wins.
In community card games, where players can use cards from the “board” (cards are placed faced up, and can be used by any player to create a best 5-card hand), and therefore it’s possible that multiple player can have “Four of a Find” made up from the same quads, then the player with the highest kicker wins.
Full House
Fourth in the poker hand rankings is the Full House. It is a combination of any three cards of the same numerical value and a pair of another value. When there’s multiple “Full House” hands, the one with the highest triplet wins. If players have the same triplets, then the one with the highest pair wins.
Flush
A “Flush” is a set of five cards with the same suit. The cards do not have to be in sequential order be a Flush. Between two or more flushes, the one with the highest high value card wins, with an “Ace-high Flush” being the strongest.
In the event that multiple hands have the same highest high value card, the winner is then determined by the second highest high value card, so on and so forth.
Straight
Any five cards in sequential order that is of different suits. Two Straights are compared by the value of their high cards. An ace can be used as the highest value card in the Straight, or the lowest value card in a Straight. For example, an Ace-high straight, like the one in our example, is the strongest Straight you can get (also known as a “Broadway” Straight). But a Straight consisting of Ace, two, three, four, five is considered the weakest Straight (also known as “Wheel” straight).
Three of a Kind (also known as “Trips” or “Set”)
A three of a kind is just a Full House without the additional pair. Meaning, the other 2 cards are of different values. When there are multiple “Three of a Kind”, the one with the highest triplet wins.
If players have the same triplets, then the winner is determined by the one with the highest value of the two remaining cards, and if multiple players have the same card here again, then the player with the second highest high value card wins.
Two Pairs
You probably can guess what this is. It’s simply Two Pairs of any value. In instances where there are more than 1 player with a Two Pairs, the winner is first determined by the one with the highest pair, then the highest second pair, then the kicker (fifth card).
One Pair
This hand consists of one pair of the same value cards, and 3 unrelated cards, all of different value. In the event of a tie, the hand with the highest pair wins. If players have the same highest pair, then the winner is determined by the hand with the highest value card of the 3 kickers, then the 2nd highest, then then 3rd.
High Card
If your hand doesn’t fall into any of the above categories, then what you have is a “High Card” hand and the value of the highest card in the hand determines the strength of this hand. So, a player with a 10 High Card would beat a player with a 8 High Card.
In instances where multiple players have the same highest high card, then it goes down the remaining four cards to determine who the winner is.
As shown in our example, the strongest High Card hand is a A, K, Q, J, 9.
Frequently Asked Questions
Does a higher-ranking hand according to the chart above always beat a hand of a lower ranking?Yes. The ranking order is absolute, and there are no instances where a lower ranked hand would beat a higher ranked hand.
Both my friend and I have a Two Pair hand consisting of the same two pairs and a different kicker. So my hand is Ad, Ac, 8d,8c, 10 and his hand is Ah, As, 8h, 8s, 9. He said he is the winner because his two pairs are made from hearts and spades, which are usually considered to be higher than the diamonds and clubs in my hand. Is this true?Poker Quads Vs Full House For Sale
Your friend is wrong. Suits don’t play a role in determine the strength of a hand in poker. Only the numerical value of the card does. So in this example, since you both have the same two pairs, then the winner would be the one with the highest kicker (the fifth card). So, that would be you, because your 10 is higher than your friend’s 9.
Does having an “All-Red” or “All-Black” hand mean anything in poker?No, it doesn’t. As we explained in the above question, suits play no roles in poker. This is same for the colour of a card.
In Texas hold’em with five community cards, I’m able to create three pairs. Would this beat Two Pairs?Poker Quads Vs Full House Plans
Even Though there are seven cards in total, you are only able to use 5 cards from the seven to create your strongest 5-card hand. Therefore, it’s not possible to have 3 pairs, which requires 6 cards. In this particular instance, what you have is a Two Pair hand.
Does a K, A, 2, 3, 5 count as a Straight?No, it doesn’t. Aces can only be used as a high card or a low card in the case of any poker hand that requires the numbers to be in a sequential order, such as a “Straight” or a “Straight Flush”. So, a “10, J, Q, K, A” is the highest Straight possible (also known as a “Broadway” Straight), and a “A, 2, 3, 4, 5” is the lowest Straight possible (also known as a “Wheel” Straight). But Aces cannot be used as a wraparound Straight, such as “K, A, 2, 3, 4”.